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Post by james on Jan 19, 2009 10:10:46 GMT -5
I watched The Spy Who Loved Me a couple of months ago, and it didn't stick much with me. But after listening to you guys discuss the movie, I want to give it a second viewing and look for some of the scenes you mentioned.
I suspect the Ken Adams/Kubrick scenes look much better in a theater than on DVD, though. My one opportunity to see TSWLM on the big screen (the Film Forum retrospective of the Bond films, two years ago), I couldn't break a prior commitment and go see it.
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Post by drewshi on Jan 19, 2009 17:17:05 GMT -5
When you guys mentioned that Moore was lazy, I thought that was a little unfair. They played to Moore's strengths more than anything I thought. He was more like Connery's Bond in The Spy Who Loved Me, but like you said, he would also quip a lot. I likened Moore's Bond to Adam West's portrayal of Batman. You never could take is seriously, which is why I think, even though Moore was my first Bond, I prefer Dalton more.
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Post by tombitd on Jan 20, 2009 21:33:30 GMT -5
When you guys mentioned that Moore was lazy, I thought that was a little unfair. I would say we were right on the mark with our assessment. There's a story we'll be talking about concerning Mr. Moore on the set of FOR YOUR EYES ONLY that I think you'll find enlightening. When Moore was challenged--SPY, EYES and, to a lesser extent, OCTOPUSSY--he excelled. When he wasn't challenged--pretty much everything else--he coasted. |
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Post by drewshi on Jan 21, 2009 5:15:51 GMT -5
When you guys mentioned that Moore was lazy, I thought that was a little unfair. I would say we were right on the mark with our assessment. There's a story we'll be talking about concerning Mr. Moore on the set of FOR YOUR EYES ONLY that I think you'll find enlightening. When Moore was challenged--SPY, EYES and, to a lesser extent, OCTOPUSSY--he excelled. When he wasn't challenged--pretty much everything else--he coasted. I understand what you're saying, but I would at least attribute that to the writing as much as Moore himself. You say when he was challenged like in Spy or Eyes, but that's because those were better stories. How hard did you really expect him to try if he's given crap like Moonraker or View? I'm getting old and forget things easily and must go back and listen to your thoughts on Live and Let Die, but I thought he was fine in that first outing. |
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Post by Derrick on Jan 22, 2009 14:42:05 GMT -5
I always give any new Bond a free pass on their first movie as I see that movie as a 'settling-in' and they shouldn't be judged too harshly. So yeah, on that basis I agree that Moore wasn't half-bad in LIVE AND LET DIE. God knows I'd rather watch it than MOONRAKER.
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Post by tombitd on Jan 22, 2009 15:25:24 GMT -5
I always give any new Bond a free pass on their first movie as I see that movie as a 'settling-in' and they shouldn't be judged too harshly. So yeah, on that basis I agree that Moore wasn't half-bad in LIVE AND LET DIE. God knows I'd rather watch it than MOONRAKER. Yeah. If I recall, I didn't have much of a problem with Moore in LIVE. It's not until MAN WITH THE GOLDEN GUN that the jokey qualities of the Moore Bond start seeping in. |
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Post by Eddie Love on Sept 11, 2009 19:36:50 GMT -5
TSWLM is the one instance so far where I part company with you guys. I know so many people who love this movie, but I'm afraid, to me -- it's just enjoyable, but not in the top ranks. It's a'ight. It may be the best of the Moore's (I prefer FYEO) but each of the first six in the series are better. Things I can't stand include:
After the very cool Egyptian fight, Jaws drops a gigantic stone on his foot ...and then winces. Seriously? Don't you guys hate that moment?
Those terrible Marvin Hamlish musical pastiches we hear as the van drives through the desert, and later when the Lawrence theme plays. To me that's as bad as the penny-whistle that accompanies the car's river jump in TMWTGG. I hate ironic touches meant to congratulate the audience on being above the material and insult those who want serious thrills.
Similarly, the ironic patriotism in the beginning when he says, in effect -- "England needs me." I'm sorry, Bond is too hard-boiled for that, which sounds like something from Ripping Yarns. I remember watching the Union Jack parachute opening at the start of TSWLM and all the grown-ups in the audience laughing knowingly and my not getting it because I just thought the stunt was cool.
Finally, and most subjectively, I can't stand Barbara Bach. She does nothing for me. She's so robotic and overly made-up, she doesn't convey any of the athleticism that the early Bond women had. I don't buy here for a second as Russian.
I enjoy TSWLM, but to me there are still those distracting misjudgments that mar other Moores.
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