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Post by grubl on May 25, 2010 22:11:40 GMT -5
In answer to who doesn't want to see them togther in a scene? Me. That may be the final nudge that will force me to lay my head on the tracks.
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Post by morbiousfod on Jun 3, 2010 23:48:53 GMT -5
Personally I'm actually stoked for this movie, and I'm not even a huge action movie fan, but the novelty of seeing all these guys in one movie will be an interesting experience, if not a total plot cat-tastrophe. But who's going to see this for intelligent plot? Nobody.
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Post by Derrick on Jun 4, 2010 6:44:01 GMT -5
Personally I'm actually stoked for this movie, and I'm not even a huge action movie fan, but the novelty of seeing all these guys in one movie will be an interesting experience, if not a total plot cat-tastrophe. But who's going to see this for intelligent plot? Nobody. Agreed. How can you pass up a chance to see those three guys, plus Jet Li, Jason Statham and Terry Crews all in the same movie? It's just too bad we couldn't have had Chuck Norris, Steven Seagal and Jean-Claude Van Damme as well. I heard that Stallone asked them to be in the movie but for various reason turned him down. Steven Seagal asked for too much money and script approval. After the moderate success of JCVD, Jean-Claude Van Damme thinks he's a 'real' actor now and I dunno why Norris declined.
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Post by Eddie Love on Jun 5, 2010 13:14:28 GMT -5
Agreed -- I've definitely fallen victim to the hype on this, it looks cool.
I also like what Stallone did with his recent Rocky and Rambo sequels. These seem like good counterparts to what Tom bemoans as people selling off their catalog for purely mercenary reasons. These were both enjoyable and felt more like affectionate victory laps.
And speaking of Sly, you know what picture really holds up is COPLAND the prestige indie that was supposed to resurrect his career back in the 90s. He's very good in it, as is the rest of that incredible cast. (Ray Liotta should have been nominated for an Oscar for that.) I think people wrote it off because it wasn't a Scoresseian triumph, instead of the old-fashion melodrama it was.
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Post by Derrick on Jun 5, 2010 20:16:27 GMT -5
Stallone should have been nominated for an Academy Award as well. COPLAND is a movie I recommend to folks who maintain that Sylvester Stallone can't act. COPLAND, along with OSCAR are terribly underrated Stallone movies.
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Post by grubl on Jun 5, 2010 22:49:35 GMT -5
COPLAND was fairly decent, I actually saw it twice in the theatres. I definitely wouldn't cum in my pants over it, though.
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Post by Derrick on Jun 5, 2010 23:10:59 GMT -5
COPLAND was fairly decent, I actually saw it twice in the theatres. I definitely wouldn't cum in my pants over it, though. Well, of course not but it's a movie that never gets mentioned enough when Sly Stallone is discussed. Sure he's made more than his hare of crap movies such as DEMOLITION MAN, JUDGE DREAD & RHINESTONE but he's also made COPLAND, F.I.S.T. & NIGHTHAWKS. And as far as I'm concerned with RAMBO and ROCKY BALBOA he's made up for a multitude of bad movie choices. He was supposed to do another Rambo and another Rocky but supposedly the advance screenings of THE EXPENDABLES have been so good and the studio is so hyped about the movie, Stallone has abandoned plans for those movies and is instead working on two sequels to THE EXPENDABLES.
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Post by grubl on Jun 5, 2010 23:26:14 GMT -5
He definitely should noy be lumped in with Arnold, and even worse, Segal and teh lot. Stallone is a true talent but, as you said, bad choices. I'll give you ROCKY (just the original) and FIRST BLOOD, with COPLAND close behind. If I'm generous, I'll throw in ROCKY BALBOA and NIGHTHAWKS. F.I.S.T. tried too fucking hard (though when Jewison is on - JC SUPERSTAR, FIDDLER, MOONSTRUCK - he is excellent).
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Post by Derrick on Jun 6, 2010 8:09:29 GMT -5
The thing I like most about Arnold Schwartzenegger (besides being a savvy, smart businessman) is that he quickly found his niche in movies and was content to do the best movies he could within that niche. I don't think that Ahnuld ever thought for a second that he would be taken seriously by mainstream Hollywood but as a consequence of his being true to himself he's secured his place in movie history.
I duno what's up with Steven Seagal. I myself only like five of his movies: ABOVE THE LAW (his best) UNDER SIEGE and UNDER SIEGE 2 (which I think is way better than the first) MARKED FOR DEATH and FIRE DOWN BELOW which even though it bores and irritates the cuss outta me with the environmental message it's got an interesting supporting cast you wouldn't expect to see in a Steven Seagal movie.
I like F.I.S.T. a lot better than Stallone's other period drama; PARADISE ALLEY. Maybe it tries too hard but I'd much rather watch a movie that tries too hard than one that doesn't try at all.
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Post by grubl on Jun 6, 2010 8:57:01 GMT -5
To be fair, I've never given a Segal, or Van Damme, film more of a chance than seeing a trailer. That was enough.
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Post by Derrick on Jun 6, 2010 12:10:26 GMT -5
To be fair, I've never given a Segal, or Van Damme, film more of a chance than seeing a trailer. That was enough. Too bad on both counts but to be honest, I don't think you missed out on anything by skipping Van Damme. UNIVERSAL SOLDIER is supposed to be this cult classic but it bored the cuss outta me the two times I've seen it. The only Van Damme movies I've seen I would recommend are BLOODSPORT, his first and to me still his best and HARD TARGET, moreso for it being John Woo's American directing debut, tho.
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Post by grubl on Jun 6, 2010 12:41:45 GMT -5
I'm a big fan of Woo's Hong Kong films, but his American product that I have seen has fell far short of that.
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Post by Eddie Love on Jun 6, 2010 13:02:24 GMT -5
I duno what's up with Steven Seagal. I myself only like five of his movies: ABOVE THE LAW (his best) UNDER SIEGE and UNDER SIEGE 2 (which I think is way better than the first) MARKED FOR DEATH and FIRE DOWN BELOW which even though it bores and irritates the cuss outta me with the environmental message it's got an interesting supporting cast you wouldn't expect to see in a Steven Seagal movie. I agree completely -- especially about ABOVE THE LAW and MARKED FOR DEATH and I also like both the UNDER SIEGE pictures. (That's young Katherine Heigel in the sequel as his daughter.) You have to remember that SS was kind of a unique presence when he first arrived on the scene. I don't think he was at all a bad actor, in the sense that he was a lot more low-key yet compelling than someone like Chuck Norris. He had an edge of dry humor as well. ABOVE THE LAW (his debut) also had a an unusual bent of left-wing paranoia. OUT FOR JUSTICE was good, but he lost me when things got bloated and unpleasant (and a little pretentious) with ON DEADLY GROUND, which he directed, and later THE GLIMMER MAN which is really nasty. Later he made EXIT WOUNDS, which was good and was a hit, but curiously everything after that goes strictly straight-to-DVD. Now he seems like a parody of himself, but before we knew all that, back in the day -- he was cool. With JCVD I also like TIMECOP and another one -- SUDDEN DEATH -- he did with that great guilty-pleasure auteur -- Peter Hyams
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Post by Derrick on Jun 6, 2010 13:52:19 GMT -5
I'm a big fan of Woo's Hong Kong films, but his American product that I have seen has fell far short of that. The only two American films John Woo directed that I like are FACE/OFF and the Made For TV remake of ONCE A THIEF. How he went from being the world's greatest action movie director to just another Hollywood hack astounds me. But he's still got a place of my shelf of honor with HARD BOILED which is to me the best action movie ever made.
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Post by grubl on Jun 6, 2010 18:08:05 GMT -5
FACE/OFF was okay, I didn't see ONCE A THIEF. HARD-BOILED and THE KILLER are the ones.
I was thinking about your show it occured to me that you two, along with my childhood friends and I, are the only people I know of that will throw out a name like Ed Lauter in mid-conversation without feeling any need to explain who he is.
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